Hmm…more ID Weirdness???

So, have you all seen the discussion on Celtic Flame?  Here is part:

From what I have heard, it is more an opportunity for the Commission to cash in on costumes
Not impressed at all

Date Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 11:49:17am
In reply to: looking ahead ‘s message,
“any predictions about new dress rules coming down the pipe?” on Monday, February 18, 12:47:27am

From what I have been told by a member of An Coimisiun, dressmakers/designers would be encouraged to “apply” to An Coimisiun with their ideas and proposals. An Coimisiun would dictate the kinds of fabrics to be used, the style of dress (i.e. solid dress, split panel, 1 color, 2 color, etc.) and the areas on which designs/embroidery/embellishments could appear. Any dressmaker wishing to make a costume would then apply to An Coimisiun for permission/rights to make an approved costume. An Coimisiun would receive a fee for granting the privilege to the dressmaker to make an approved dress, and then reward the selected designer with a portion of that fee (perhaps). I believe that An Coimisiun is in a position to give clear guidelines as to what is or is not acceptable, as they did in the past. However, I think what they anticipate passing, ie., another way for them to generate revenues (and for what???), is totally out of order

Umm…Michelle?  Is this your understanding?

16 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. cincysewer
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 11:11:46

    Have heard from a longtime mom, who has connections that there is indeed a change coming regarding costumes-her daughter is a World qualifier and she is not purchasing any more dresses until the new rules are announced-it only seems fair to all of us to give us a heads up

  2. idance2
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 11:26:41

    this is not what I have heard. I only heard that they were going to try and give “more detailed” specifications. That An Comm was in “agreement” that the dresses were getting a little “over the top”.. this is my wording, but you can bet I am going to inquire on this from different people. I will let you know what I find out.

  3. taoknitter
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 11:30:29

    Thanks, Michelle…thanks for replying. Thought I should ask before I get in a snit!!!

  4. lymabean
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 11:48:49

    I’m all for more detailed specifications, but hey, how ’bout actually ENFORCE them if they’re going to be put out there.
    Here’s one of the “rules” we all know about…
    4.4.3 Skirt length – the maximum skirt length is not more than four inches above the knee level. It is hoped that the introduction of this rule will prevent the excessively short lengths recently witnessed.
    …but how often do we see dresses more than four inches above knee level? Very. Often now it’s the one or two in a competition group whose dresses DO conform to this rule who stand out as looking different (along the lines of, ‘Hmmm, her dress is too long’). When we sold our last dress to a dancer from another school, the mom told us right away they’d have to have it shortened (we didn’t think it long on her), because their (big-name U.S.) TC wanted his dancers’ dresses short.
    So it will be interesting to see what happens next not only in print, but maybe even moreso in practice.

  5. mendylady
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 13:28:29

    Having enforced regulations probably isn’t bad. Making the designers get their designs approved isn’t cool, and just sounds like a money-making scam to me. Or am I reading that wrong?

  6. taoknitter
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 13:42:36

    That’s the thing with so many of the “discussions” on the boards….what’s true, what’s rumor, what’s hyperbole? Michelle (idance2) will get us some answers.

  7. irishdancingrosie
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 16:34:10

    The rules they have now aren’t very efficient. For example, the four inch rule-four inches on an under 7 dancer would be SHORT, but four inches on me would be long, as I am 6 feet tall in U17, not U7. So they need to make rules that are more specific, that work better.

    I’d really be sad to see the current styles go. I don’t think that dresses are obscene, I actually think they have become more traditional-four panels, velvet, lace, embroidered knotwork, instead of geometric shapes, and all shocking colors.

    I also think that a lot of it really is rumour, Ann. People spread things on the boards to freak everyone out and there are so many “in the know” people who post and say completely opposite things. I’ll believe it when I see it.


  8. maid2feis
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 20:47:03

    How could they possibly enforce a rule that says dressmakers have to apply to, and make only approved dresses? lol Would dancers have to have a document to show AD’s that would state their dresses are officially made? What about mom’s (like me) that make (or at least attempt to make) their own daughters dresses? If they are trying to stop people from being priced out of ID, I’m not sure that’s the way. Seems ridiculous.

  9. kktsews
    Feb 20, 2008 @ 21:15:50

    The way I read the quote, they’re saying that the designs would be approved, and then dressmakers apply to make an approved-design-dress, and pay a fee, a portion of which goes back to the original designer.
    Kind of like having a limited set of school dresses or something people could pick from. But how they’d enforce it (reuse of a pattern/design, sharing of designs) is beyond me. Seems to limited. I’d prefer more clear rules (like the one about the collarbone being covered) but flexible. For length, they could say that the skirt could be no shorter than the wrist of the dancer, for example.
    Will be interesting to see if they indeed make some changes. When might that be announced? I assume there would be some months of lead time?

  10. cfvermeulen
    Feb 21, 2008 @ 01:46:34

    I will also believe it when I see it/hear it. I think there is more to this than meets the eye. How do you think BN’s will respond to this? They are stuck with tons of fabric that may be of no use anymore….surely if there is a rumour spreading than they will try to “get in” on the deal and lobby for their cause?
    Personally I make a lot of dresses for CRN and WIDA dancers. I just got an order for a dress with loads of lace in the bodice and the sleeves. The dancer asked me specifically to make it all opaque, as the Adjudicators had DEDUCTED POINTS for her appearance and told her to get a more “decent” dress (as the one she has now has see-through lace sleeves).
    I think this would be a great system for An com, as the dancer immediately knows the consequence of deviation from the rules: a lower score. And apparently it is a powerful motivator 🙂

  11. catirish
    Feb 21, 2008 @ 03:30:08

    Hmm… so this new system would be similar to the patent system. Except that the patent holders don’t necessarily receive all the royalties! Sounds like a lot of bureaucracy if this does materialize. I’m dying to know what, if anything, will come of this!

  12. carrie13
    Feb 21, 2008 @ 09:56:53

    If it is true, it may be the kiss of death for ID. I know I wouldn’t want to deal with it with my 3 daughters’ dresses — much too complicated and expensive. I think my girls would end up skipping the whole feis/competion thing and dance for fun.

  13. costumemom24
    Feb 21, 2008 @ 20:18:41

    I mentioned this to our TCRG. She has not heard anything about it. She also said it would have to be put to a vote. An Coimisiun can not just “pass” a new ruling. I think we are okay for awhile.

  14. idance2
    Feb 22, 2008 @ 20:01:24

    I have emailed a couple of different people who are involved in varying levels with An Comm – I am hoping that they will respond. Some have been at the All Irelands and some are not at the mini-convention — I will let you know as soon as I hear anything.

  15. Ali
    Feb 24, 2008 @ 15:55:48

    Ann, I’ve been away for quite a while–over a month–and this is the first I’m hearing of this. I think my temporary leave of absence may become a permanent one if this is actually the case. I don’t have the energy to deal with ID any more, I fear.

  16. taoknitter
    Feb 24, 2008 @ 15:59:36

    And that would be ID’s loss, Ali. Michelle is still after some answers, so maybe we will get some real info soon.

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